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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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Are there any screen shots of any of this?

Both of her accounts on Twitter are deleted due to the harrassment she received. This is all I have from 2017. (Lloyd was speaking about her going to O'Donnell, Ortiz and others when he says "colleagues")

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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Now you can see exactly the type of person who become those types of elders. He'd be getting his jollies by listening to the stories and grilling (sisters especially) on what happened, all for something to play with himself later in his little wanking shed.

There’s a bit of background to that, and it leads into why he was booted from the TTATT project. Jennifer Torres was a personal real life friend of Javier Ortiz whose CSA survivor daughter was interviewed by Lloyd for the project. She knew Lloyd like all of us do - online - but he came highly recommended by Ortiz.

She even served a home cooked meal at her home for Lloyd and Ortiz when he came to Southern California for TTATT filming.

When he was crowdfunding off CSA stories to include in his second book, Jennifer paid the $150 but didn’t want their story in there. Instead she offered Lloyd to interview someone else in her stead. Lloyd reacted like Lloyd does and put her in her place, telling her she had no right to tell him how to run his business, etc.

A huge Twitter fight erupted with the same typical result pre-2022 - Jennifer was chastised for telling Lloyd his business and being a “hater” by Lloyd and his goon squad. Hardly anyone supported her and she was effectively banished as a “cedars-basher”. Keep in mind this is someone who DONATED $150 to him. She didn’t want it back, she just wanted him to interview someone else, anyone else, who could not afford it for the book. Lloyd refunded her the $150 and continued ragging on not only her, but her daughter who was a CSA survivor interviewed by him just weeks prior.

Jennifer’s real life friendship with Ortiz suffered because of this. Privately Ortiz acknowledged Lloyd was being a diva and what she asked wasn’t intrusive, but for him the good outweighed the bad as it did for many others. She got a similar vibe from O’Donnell.

After the Thailand revelations, in a series of “I told you so” tweets, Jennifer made an apt observation:

She felt violated that Lloyd had interviewed her daughter about her CSA abuse, not knowing if he wasn’t getting off somehow by hearing it in detail.

She deleted her account soon afterwards as the Cedars goon squad was still on patrol in February 2022 and giving her a lot of hate for it.

Per her explicit request, Ortiz removed their footage from TTATT. As more CSA survivors who were involved in the project came forward and refused consent, Ortiz had little choice but to remove Lloyd instead of losing all these important voices.

THIS is how CSA survivors are treated by Lloyd. It’s essentially: “You are great as long as I can use your content, but the minute you stand up to me, I will harass and banish you from social media and you will not have your friends anymore”.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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It was ultimately that her parents told her she had to stay with him.

So Lloyd benefitted from JW doctrine keeping his wife in check. And then quickly discarded those beliefs once she had returned to him, writing her a letter on 1 January 2010 outlining all his doubts about the org.

Went did she get pregnant ? Could it be , he did that in purpose for he to get pregnant ,that way she would be trap to stay with him ?

She had their first child a few years later, in May 2014. The time period being spoken about is in 2009 when Lloyd got caught sexting and Dijana fled to Croatia.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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Then Lloyd started crying and screaming, trying to grab the phone.

Maybe he then accused Dijana of making his sexting partner upset by reading a private and intimate text...

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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My understanding was that dijana went back home and Lloyd followed her and agreed to move there to be with her.

Wasn’t that what Marko was saying in those FB posts in 2017? That they tried to help her get away from him and he followed? I think he said that in his testimony too.

I doesn’t surprise me she told you that because it is completely in character for Dijana. She does not like confrontation, she felt betrayed by him and didn’t want to go through the humiliation of testifying about what he did in front of the elders. The only way she felt she could stop that behaviour was by leaving him and putting him in the position where he’d have to convince her to keep that marriage going.

The sad thing is that she should have ended it then and there. Her life would be so much different now. But Lloyd had organisational policy on his side and what he did with those “girls” was pornea, not for fornication. I’m sure he frequently reminded her that if she left it would not be a scriptural divorce and she would not be free to marry anyone else.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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if you have it handy LMSA later that would be appreciated

It was a Friday morning. I ran downstairs to fetch the mail. When I came back into our bedroom, Dijana had my mobile phone in her hand and was staring at it aghast. The previous day, while she had been at work, I had been involved in cybersex with a girl I had met online. The girl had texted me back since then, and Dijana had just read the message.

My initial response was one of anger. In a flurry of tears and screaming I tried to wrench the phone from Dijana. Then, as reality slowly dawned, I realized she had every right to know that the man she had married and made so many sacrifices for was a messed up person with serious issues. Over my single years I had developed a fixation with chatting online with girls, and this behavior had tragically spilled over into my marriage.

The hours and days that followed were fraught with animosity, tears, and much soul searching. I had spent the last three months trying to correct the conduct of a fellow elder in the congregation, and here I was with my own faults now in sharp focus.

The hypocrisy of it all stemmed from my ability to compartmentalize and excuse my darker side so that it almost did not exist. I genuinely believed that the only thing that mattered was how many people were hurt by my actions. If Dijana did not know what I was doing online, then she could not be hurt. With the Friday morning discovery, the naivety of this thinking became glaringly obvious. There can be no secrets in a marriage. Everything will come out in the wash eventually.

As you would expect, Dijana was devastated. She assumed all of this somehow reflected on her as a wife. If I was engaging in online sexual encounters with other women, then in her mind, I must have no feelings for her whatsoever. I pleaded with her that this was not the case; that I loved her and wanted to be with her, but I was fighting powerful inner urges and needed help.

Initially I tried to talk Dijana into simply forgiving me so that we could move on without involving anyone else. I intuitively knew I had reached a crossroads. I explained to her that two paths lay ahead of us. One path involved soldiering on and trying to fix our marriage without involving others. The other path involved my seeking discipline through the congregation, losing all respect and standing in the organization, and being left with really nothing to be proud of or to fight for. I had a feeling of inevitability that I was on the cusp of a downward spiral from which, due to the mountain of doubts I was already suppressing, I would never recover. The only way out of this tailspin, in my mind, was for us to deal with these problems between us rather than involve the elders.

Dijana made it clear that she wanted the intervention of the elders, no matter the outcome. After all, this was not a one-off incident. Dijana had caught me in a similar situation only a few months after we were married, and previous attempts at sorting out my issues had clearly failed. There seemed no other option than to approach the elders this time. The trouble was, I had just come out of a long and bitter feud with Geoffrey, who I knew would relish the opportunity to exact vengeance. Dijana agreed that Geoffrey was the last person to involve in fixing our problems.

We therefore decided to move back to my home congregation in Wilmslow, where I would promptly stand down as an elder, confess my sins, and accept whatever discipline was to be handed out. Wilmslow would serve as a kind of spiritual maintenance pit-stop on the way to what we both decided was our ultimate objective: a fresh start in Croatia.

We had been discussing this move for some time—but now that fixing our marriage was of utmost priority rather than pursuing any organizational opportunities, there was no longer anything holding us back. Also prominent in our thinking were Dijana’s parents, whose health gave us cause for concern. Furthermore, living in the UK was becoming prohibitively expensive as the country, which by this point was entering the “credit crunch,” slid into recession. We were spending over £170 per month just on property taxes before paying any rent or utility bills, and we had racked up a mountain of debt in overdrafts and credit card bills. In Croatia, we could live rent-free with Dijana’s parents while slowly paying off our debts. We also had the option of finishing a semi-built apartment above their home if we wanted more privacy. We decided to go ahead with this plan, and moved out of the house we were renting. Dad agreed that we could move in with him for a couple of months before we made our final move abroad.

I drove to the home of the coordinator for Wilmslow congregation and delivered a letter through his door. It offered my resignation as an elder and went into quite some detail regarding my sexual misconduct. I had hoped the amount of detail would be sufficient for the elders to deliberate quickly over how to deal with me, but this would not prove to be the case.

In a series of disciplinary meetings before a “judicial committee” comprised of three elders I was asked to go into extremely intimate detail regarding the nature of my online encounters, what precisely these involved, with whom and how often. [96] These hearings were extremely emotional. I recall breaking down in tears on at least one occasion. At the time I did not feel the nature of questioning was overly invasive or inappropriate. I believed I was receiving needed discipline from God’s organization, and I simply had to man up and see it through for the benefit of my marriage. Of course, I now cringe at the thought of sharing such personal matters with men who had no more right to this information than my local postman or storekeeper, but at the time I was convinced it was necessary. [97]

Finally, a decision was reached that I would not be disfellowshipped. Instead, I would be “publicly reproved.” This involved an announcement being read in both Bramhall and Wilmslow Kingdom Halls that I had been reproved for some unspecified sin. Normally such an announcement is deemed necessary only if the indiscretion is widely known, but for some reason (I believe due to my recent dispute with Geoffrey) it was decided that members of both congregations needed to know that I had done something seriously wrong. As well as no longer being an elder, “restrictions” would be imposed. I would be prohibited from offering comments during meeting items or giving talks for some months.

It felt as though my downfall was complete, but I was prepared to go through the disgrace and humiliation if this was the price for correcting my problems and starting a new life with Dijana. After everything that I had put her through, she would be my focus from this point forward.

Before long, it was time for us to relocate. We had decided to tow our belongings in a horse-box trailer that we bought on eBay—but we were unaware when collecting it that it dated to the ’50s, and the wheels (one of which fell off shortly after we bought it) were so outdated it was impossible to replace them. We paid a Wilmslow elder who was also a mechanic to perform a makeshift repair and resolved to drive at 50 mph or slower all the way to Croatia. However, we only made it as far as Birmingham (85 miles) before beholding the terrifying spectacle of one of our trailer wheels rolling past our car as we snaked downhill across several lanes of the M6 freeway. After regaining control and pulling over, we called the tow truck and had it take the horse-box back to Manchester while we carried on in our old Ford Mondeo with less than half our belongings. The car had an overheating engine, so we had to stop every two hours to top off the water during the long drive across Europe. I am still not sure how we completed the journey.

[98] After a stressful two days on the road we were relieved to make it to Croatia on August 30, 2009. Dijana’s parents were delighted to finally have us with them. They had been without their daughter for three years, and I could tell they had missed her. Their house, where we still live, is in a small one-road village 20 minutes’ drive south of Sisak. From living in the suburbs of Manchester, we now found ourselves in a quiet rural community where people grow their own produce and keep livestock. Tractor engines chugging, roosters crowing, geese honking and dogs barking make up a large part of the typical ambience. When we first arrived, it felt like an idyllic place to take some time out and build a new life together without disturbance.

The local Sisak congregation was extremely welcoming. In the time it takes to find your seat at the Kingdom Hall you feel like you have shaken the hands of everyone in the town, such is the warmth and enthusiasm. At the time, the congregation had approximately 100 publishers and only a handful of elders. There was initial excitement when I arrived because, being an MTS graduate, it was assumed I could help ease the burden on the overstretched elder body. But I made it clear as soon as I arrived that this would not be possible, at least for some time. I told them I was under restrictions that had been placed on me back in the UK, concerning which they would shortly be informed. [99] For the time being I would only be allowed to attend meetings and go in the preaching work. Not that this presented a huge problem for me, since I could barely speak Croatian anyway and would have found it daunting to prepare meaningful comments or talks.

It would take nine months for my restrictions to be lifted, but by the end of this period I had undergone an unexpected transformation. The cautionary advice given to me by a close friend back home was to prove extremely astute.

Footnotes 96 - 99

[96] One elder from Bramhall was drafted in to sit on the three-man committee. It would not surprise me if this was at Geoffrey’s insistence. I now look back with some relief that, during my brief time as an elder, I was never called upon to deliberate at one of these tribunals.

[97] When preparing this chapter I came across the letters and emails I sent to Wilmslow and Bramhall elders over this period, which are still on my hard drive and now make for disturbing reading. The tone is self-abasing as I prostrate myself, scrambling to avoid disfellowshipping at a time when rescuing my marriage should have been my only concern. It is obvious that I was a completely different, more servile person than I am now, and acting under powerful forces I was then unable to comprehend.

[98] The car would die completely a month after our arrival.

[99] Usually when a person moves between congregations a “letter of recommendation” needs to follow them from their old congregation to tell the new elders whether they are in “good standing” or not. Quite often, the letter takes some time to arrive—especially if it needs to be translated by the branch office.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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does anyone have any information about what lloyd said about he and dijana moving to Croatia?

It is in his book. I can copy and paste later if you want but from memory he gave these reasons:

The poor health of Dijana’s parents

the lower cost of living in Croatia vs the high cost in the UK

a desire to “get a new start” and reset for both his marriage and his status in the JW religion.

they were in massive debt in the UK and according to him, they would live rent free in a Croatia so they could pay it back

He made no reference of ever returning to the UK to live. The move to Croatia was presented as more of a permanent thing.

As for what happened before they moved, after leaving Bramhall and the elder “Geoffrey”, they moved in with Lloyd’s dad for the summer of 2009. This was when he had the JC in Wilmslow. They saved up money for the trip to Croatia, and even bought a trailer for the trip which ended up falling apart when still in England and they had to leave most of their possessions with his dad.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Why is everyone interested in his accounts?

Because he said on the Patrons only video that he couldn’t make payroll and was going to be €700 in debt. The tax document he filed says he had over €8000 in the bank just three weeks before he said that.

It would seem that he’s lying and just wants more money. That’s why it’s imperative to fact check him. He got $1000, 20 new patrons and 12 new YT members based on a lie.

You don’t get to criticise Stephen Lett and then turn round and do the same thing as he did.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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So here's what I'm curious about. If that income number is for sales of books etc, where is the Patreon money accounted for?

That’s probably why 144001 wanted to see if there was an accompanying document. It would seem that all revenue from that year was done the same as 2021 and all placed under “Sales Revenue”. There is 18 HRK (€2.38) under other business income, and that’s the only other one that is populated.

This is what the Croatian government is making public. The breakdown of the income and where it came from is probably Ipsilon Media confidential info and has not been made public. This filing seems to just show the total pulled in and its emphasis is on breaking down the expenses since they are claiming this company as a negative asset. The government already has this info and this is Ipsilon Media’s attempt to avoid a tax burden, which was successful and set at 0.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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hang on getting popcorn for this one. JeffT: Lloyd makes online book sales.

Also his merchandise. Check out the tabs on his YT page.

As for the legitimacy of the documents, the LE Parody has downloaded that from the Croatian governmental tax authority that was filed with. They forwarded it to me. You’ll have to ask them for the link, and it’s been posted here before so unless LEP made up the entire thing in Croatian, forged Dijana’s signature and the company stamp, I have no reason to question that as false.

As for the English document, full disclosure: I do not speak nor can I read Croatian. I translated that into English from the original Croatian so people don’t have to spend all day trying to read it. I have a programme which took the text out of the pdf and translated it. I then went back over it and some things didn’t translate properly as the Croatian alphabet has letters which are variations on the standard Latin one. I fed those words into google translate until I got something that made sense. Some terms I had to google. Since the only Croatian speakers I “know” are Tibor and Dijana, they are more than welcome to argue with google translate as to what the original Croatian term really means. From what I saw, Croatian has a lot of Latin loan words and I easily read words like “financijski”.

Really? Surely he has no meltdowns left …..

We’re on Season 2, Episode 3… we’re about to find out if he was lying about not being able to afford Tibor at 416 patrons. The resolution for yesterday’s cliffhanger will be in the next episode.

Same time. Same channel. Next week on JWN…